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I saw construction workers waving and flashing peace signs at a huge crowd from the seventh story of a building they were working on, their cheers echoed back a thousand-fold by the masses of marchers. Later, on California Street as the unplanned march turned towards the financial district, closing streets and jamming traffic as it went, I watched as Muni drivers rang the bells in a backed-up line of Cable Cars, slapping high-fives and encouraging protestors to jump up and take turns ringing them, too, like kids ringing the recess bell at school.
Not everyone was so enthusiastic. A well-heeled man snarled and argued with protestors as they passed by his fancy hotel, practically frothing at the mouth in his anger. Back on Market Street, a couple of down-and-out men yelled at people as they filed past, calling them traitors. A woman on the third story of another hotel frowned and gave the "thumbs-down" sign. Another woman driving a classic Delta 88, stopped in traffic on Van Ness, hurried to magic-marker a message onto a white box top: "Support Our Troops!" She had a cousin over there.
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How long have you been out here?
All day.
Have you seen anyone get arrested?
I’ve seen a lot of people arrested, but it seemed to go very well. I’ve seen a lot more roughness at other times.
Are you willing to get arrested today?
I’m not planning to -- I have to think about whether I’m willing to. What about you?
I’m supposed to pick up my girlfriend at the airport tonight, so...
(Laughing) You better not, you better show up...
So, have there been this many people all day?
What I saw -- I’m not from San Francisco, so I don't have the best command of the landmarks, but from what I saw, at various intersections people had used concrete and chained themselves together, there were tons of cops, and they used chainsaws, and welding equipment to bust them apart, and then they quite gently really, got them loaded into wagons, and all those people had intended on getting arrested, and sure enough they did. There were crowds, and a lot of support...
Where are you from?
I’m from Maine.
What are you doing out here?
Well, this week is the National Federation of Community Broadcasters, radio people are meeting, my husband’s one of those people. We participate in a community radio station in Maine, so that's what brought us to San Francisco. So this is great, it's great to be with a lot more people than I would be with, but I have to say, the same thing's going on there, there was a huge walk out. I was just on the phone with my son, I mean huge is smaller numbers back there...
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Interview with Diane from Colma, on Van Ness Avenue. (Diane was driving a vintage Olds 98 and was stopped in traffic as the march passed.)
Where you headed today?
Home, actually to a friend’s house.
How do you feel about this, that’s going on?
I think we should support our troops, but I think these people have a right to do whatever they want.
Do you know anyone who’s fighting over there?
Yeah, my cousin is, he’s an Air Force pilot.
So I see you’re making a sign?
[she had been making a "support our troops" sign, black magic marker on a white box top]
Yeah, I was gonna stick it in the back window, but now everyone’s gone. I mean that’s fine, whatever they wanna do, in protest, but that’s why people are dying so they can do this. They gotta remember that.
I support what they’re saying, but I don’t think they’re right. I think we gotta take this guy [Saddam Hussein] out, or... North Korea’s next. They’re after him, they’re not after Iraqis...
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Interview with Jennifer, a student from UC Santa Cruz:
How long have you been out here?
I got here a little late, I’ve only been out here since noon.
What have you seen so far?
I’ve seen the greatest protest I’ve ever been to in my life. I love seeing the people in the streets of San Francisco uniting together and marching through the streets, that is so powerful...
What do you think it’s gonna accomplish?
If nothing else it at least gets the word out that people do not agree with the war, not everybody is in solidarity behind this. This is solidarity, this is people coming out and saying, we know that maybe our votes don’t count anymore and maybe our voices don’t count, but we’re gonna shout anyway until we’re completely out of our voice.
Did you cut class or skip work to be here today?
No I didn’t. I just turned in my last final yesterday.
Have you seen anyone get arrested?
I haven’t seen anyone get arrested, I’ve heard of a few people who escaped arrest... I’m originally from L.A. and I’ve been to protests there, and everyone gets arrested in L.A., so this is a really great protest, to me.
If you heard later today that someone they managed to kill or capture Saddam, how would you feel about that?
I would still feel that the war is going to go on. It’s still continuing, that’s not the only ambition in the war, and even the way it’s been done so far is not legal by our standards, the United States, nor by world standards, we’ve broken treaties, we’ve broken promises that we made to other countries, we’ve ignored the U.N. entirely, it still wasn’t done right, regardless of what they think they accomplished. And that won’t be the end, there never is an end.
Is there a right way to do this, or is the whole thing wrong from start to finish?
I think it’s full of lies, and I don’t know what to believe, because I don’t think we’re getting a lot of accurate information, so I’m not sure exactly, if Saddam Hussein has weapons or not, but I do know that we created the U.N. to handle international conflicts like that, and we haven’t let that work.
So you feel like, if we had waited for more inspections, and then gone into Iraq, that could have worked?
I just don’t think there was going to be a time for us to go into Iraq. Hans Blix, the head of the U.N. investigators, saw no smoking gun, did not think there was any reason for us to go to war, the U.N. is not behind us, it’s probably not even an accurate war. You can’t say, well because he hasn’t shown us any weapons then that must mean he’s hiding them, that’s not proof -- that’s the opposite of proof.
So what are you gonna do, say tomorrow, the next day, to continue to make your voice heard, attend more protests, or write letters...
Yeah, I’m gonna come back here. I’ve been writing letters to – e-mails to various politicians, I’m gonna come back here, hopefully I’ll be here all weekend. I actually broke my ankle a couple months ago and this is the first walking I’ve done on it, so hopefully I’ll be able to continue walking around the city. If not, I’ll just go and find a place where there’s a sit-in of some sort, and sit.
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Interview with Eric, another man stopped in traffic on the corner of Montgomery and California, riding a motor scooter.
So, how’s it feel to be stopped here with all these people going by?
I feel great.
Do you support them?
Totally.
Are you working today?
I’m supposed to be at a meeting today, but it’s all right, it can wait.
Where do you work?
Two blocks up there.
What is this going to accomplish today?
Hopefully an awareness, you know, that people are super pissed off about the situation and they are able to get out and express that in a collective way, so it’s bringing people in that are trying to get to work or somewhere else, which is a good thing.
Do you feel like there is another solution, has it been explored, somewhere between sanctions, the U.N... What could have been done differently?
A lot for sure. There’s always other solutions, and the one that we’re faced with in the news this morning is the most extreme and most undesirable.
If you heard today that they managed to take Saddam out and there won't need to be this big "shock and awe" massive bombing, will that cool off the tensions?
I don’t know, but I’ve heard from some really respectable people that once in, we’re gonna have a really hard time getting out of there. No matter what happens, even when so-called victory comes about either soon, a month, six months from now, it’s gonna be years and years before the U.S. is able to get itself out of the predicament it’s gotten itself into. This awareness needs to be a lot more widespread than it is now.
Is there anything you plan to do to protest or speak out?
Yeah, I do my own part. There’s that True Majority online I’ve been sending faxes to, my representatives, I made phone calls to the White House a few weeks ago... so stuff like that. Mostly low-key, I don’t feel like I need to be out here, but it’s good to see.
Interview with Lee and John, a couple of guys sitting on a stone kiosk arguing with protestors as they went by:
How do you guys feel about all this?
John: everybody knows in their heart of hearts that Saddam Hussein has had chemical and bio weapons for decades, we know that. We may have even given em to him – but the point is, he used em for eight years against Iran, he used em against his own people, he believes he’s the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar, he wants to destroy Israel... He can’t get his coalition forces together to destroy Israel...
How do you feel when you see people marching like this?
Well, I was a marine, I believe they have every right to do this, I gave my life that they could do this, I just happen to disagree with them. I wish they would fly first class to Baghdad and stand in front of the defense ministry and say ‘George you can’t bomb us now, cause we’re over here!’
What do you see happening once the war continues and afterwards?
I anticipate based on what I’ve heard, from my sources, my friends in the military, that we’re gonna hit em hard for two to three weeks from the air. For two to three weeks in the air, then we’re gonna mop up... He’s got his regiments along the Iranian border right now. After we attack from the air, then he’s gonna bring his forces from the Iranian border to meet our troops coming into Iraq.
So what do you think’s gonna happen after the war?
I think after this is over, and it’ll be over in less than thirty days, we are gonna have to literally spend 100 to a 150 billion dollars and give those people what they need and have needed for decades – medicine food schools hospitals – the know-how and technology to farm. Those people have been living under tyranny for so long...
Do you feel like they’re going to live up to more of a Marshall Plan or is it gonna be more like what’s happening in Afghanistan?
J: Well, we’ve just started there, we’re gonna be there for years to come. I don’t think it’s gonna be that way in Iraq, we can get this over with between 30-60 days, and whether we kill him or not we’re gonna be in there and we’re gonna literally rebuild that country. I hope to god that’s what we do...
What happens if that doesn’t happen?
J: Well, everybody’s saying that’s the purpose of this attack, to free those people. Now I’ve never lived in Baghdad, but from what I see on the news, and it could be propaganda, those people need help, and they’ve needed it for thirty years, and I hope to god that we can be the ones to give it to them. At whatever cost, you know, freedom is freedom. And I gave my life for freedom.
Were you in Vietnam?
J: No sir, we were getting ready to go into Nicaragua to take care of Danny Ortega...and Bill Casey, head of the CIA, were mining the harbors out there [?]
You know, Bush is not right, he’s not completely right on this, his hands are very dirty. His dad was into the into the New World Order, the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the World Government. Kill off the dollar, kill off the yen, kill off this new euro dollar, put a mark in your forehead – the Bible talks about it.
What could have been done differently?
J: When?
Leading up to the war.
J: This war? There’s nothing we can do sir, it’s not in the hands of the people of the world anymore, it’s the world leaders that have conspired this.
But could there have been a middle road between what the U.N. was doing and...
J: No. No, the U.N. is nothing but a puppet...
Lee: How long have we been trying to disarm Saddam now, 10 years?
J: Oh, more than that... but, what’s your question?
I’m just wondering if increased sanctions could’ve worked, inspections...
J: I don’t think so, like they say and you’ve heard, Iraq’s the size of California. we could have had 20,000 inspectors in there--
L: I see a twitch of sarcasm on your face in listening to his comments, why?
It’s not sarcasm. I’m just eating my Popsicle...
L: You got any family over there in the forces right now? Do you know anybody that has family in the forces? When they joined the military, nobody forced em to, correct?
No.
L: No draft. So they signed to fight for their country. Honor. Dignity. Pride. They’re gonna follow their orders. What do you think they’d think if they took video tapes and saw us protesting what they’re about to do? What would that do to their morale?
I don’t know – what do you think it’ll do?
L: It damn sure won’t be good. I’m from the south, and we got a saying – it’s not how the jackass got in the ditch, it’s how we got him out. This war is imminent. There’s no doubt about it, there’s nothing the people of this nation can do. It’s gonna happen—it’s already happening, it’s happening as we speak. I haven’t seen the news in 24 hours but, our guys and 35 other coalition country forces are behind us, let’s just pray that they come home.
What do you feel like people should do if they don’t agree that there’s no alternative to the war?
L: I don’t think this is the correct way. A lot of people have lost wages today. This city has lost millions of dollars, because of Muni, the police officers that they’ve had to pay to police these kids up off the road. I bet you at least a third, realistically without exaggeration, are under 16 and have no clue or idea of what political policy, democracy, much less war is all about. They’re probably out here because they can be with their friends, out of school. This city has been disrupted. And it’s not right. How many people have lost wages, what about their kids?
So is it right?
We had a little girl come over here and we had the same discussion, and when we were through she walked in the crowd, back to her four friends, said have a good day guys, and left. Because her brother was over there [in Iraq] and she was in tears. I told her how would you feel, what would your brother feel if he saw you protesting what he’s about to give his life for? You’re telling him he’s wrong, he’s a piece of shit. Our boys are there, our boys are over there, and it stinks—
J: It does stink. It does stink.
L: And I hope they don’t get gassed. To die by nerve gas is awful, it’s ruthless, it’s a painful, painful death, agonizing... all we can do is support our troops, boys girls, do your jobs, get it done, and come home.
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I tried to interview a man who was being arrested on Market and 8th St.; when the cop shooed me away, I interviewed the husband of a woman who was being arrested for refusing to move from the street. His name was Paolo.
What are they arresting you for, where are they taking you?
Cop: You have to stay out of here, it’s none of your business.
It’s everyone’s business!
So what happened, how did they get arrested?
There were about ten people in the middle of the street, and they started holding hands and making a circle, and there was a group passing down golden gate, and they saw the original group, and suddenly there were a hundred people or so.
That’s your wife, right there?
Yeah, she’s being picked up right now – yeah. And so about ten of them refused to get up, after about 20 minutes or so – there were a lot of storm troopers, maybe 30 or so, came and started marching, and they actually did this technique where there was a group coming from the side that nobody had seen, so they took them from two sides.
A group of police?
Yes. So they just took – ten people refused to move, and they got arrested. After the first group got arrested actually, they warned people that they were now authorized to use batons, and they started charging down the street—
Did you see anyone get hit by batons?
I didn’t actually see anyone. I think mostly people just moved away. But these people got arrested before that.
And they’re just waiting to take them away?
Yeah.
What do you think’s gonna happen now?
From what I’ve heard, it’ll be a couple hours, maybe a little more, but they’ll probably let people go.
Do you know where they’re taking her?
No, I’m not sure. I’m gonna go home and she’s gonna call me.
Why did you guys come down here today, what do you think this is gonna accomplish?
Well, I guess, this morning when I woke up, I think we were both so demoralized by what was happening in Iraq, and we thought if it’s gonna be another demonstration where they make a ruckus until the event happens then they just let it go, that just can’t happen this time, so we felt we had to come, and I just hope it’s not a one-day thing. Obviously we can’t expect people to be on the streets every day, but once a week or maybe all the different groups involved here takes a day and keeps on doing this.
Do you feel like there was a time – at what moment is violence justified in Iraq, and here in terms of protest...
I’m not a pure pacifist, I believe violence can be justified at some point, when absolutely everything else has been exhausted, and that goes probably for both cases. And certainly in the case of Iraq there were so many indicators that violence could be avoided, even a week before, if anything things seemed more and more optimistic, if they’d just let them [inspections] go on...
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